Like clay in the hands of a potter
Parents and children are made of the same stuff.
Parents are people too. Persons are not abstract. You personally were called to parent your children personally. There is not a singular perfect parent. There is not only one way to be perfect. It is okay to be you as a parent. You growing, you doing the work in yourself, but you. You are not enough, but you are assigned the task.
I want to say, goal is that they don’t need me but they already don’t need me.
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He leaves no gate unlocked in his fortress of logic.
Incapacitated
See that you do not look down on one of these little ones.1
Children are looked down on, treated as less than, treated as incapacitated. For example, they are subject to the control of their parents and other authorities using methods and to extents that would be morally wrong for an authority to require of an adult. The same adult who decries the state for daring to regulate the size of cups at fast food restaurants will, in the same breath, condemn parents whom they deem to have failed to supervise their children’s diet with sufficient attention. What is it that is true about children, but not true about adults, that justifies or requires that children be treated differently? It is sometimes argued that children lack some level of brain development, or some particular understanding, or some mental ability, that is present in adults – “I am but a little child: I know not how to go out or come in.”2 This could make sense except that we do not test for the presence of some identifiable mental faculty before treating anyone over the age of 18 as an adult. Perhaps it is that children are too inexperienced, or too short-sighted, or too naive to be allowed to make decisions that could affect too long into their futures. But we all know too many adults who are unworthy of being trusted to make decisions for themselves.
are kids different that just “a person”. Do they have some sort of incapacity that renders them less than and so subject to the will of their parents. What is true about a child but not true about an adult, that allows or requires children to be treated differently? Force can be used against a child in situations and for purposes that would be morally wrong if so used against an adult – a fellow full person. Why? – It is not a question of a child’s incapacity or disability – It’s that parents are part of the multitudinal hierarchy of authorities, and therefore have responsibilities beyond just their kids – seeking the shalom of their dominion, instruction, rebuke, correction, the sword against evil-doers, kings tear down the high places, leaders seek the flourishing of those led but not flourishing towards just any goal. God demands our internal affections, but he commands (and entrusts authorities with enforcing) external behaviors – I don’t know if you love the Lord with all of your soul, but I require you to attend the yearly festivals.
Their brains aren’t fully developed. They lack impulse control. They can’t be expected to …
Adults
You can’t disciple a pagan. If your child is saved, they are an adult. Children can be enslaved, but they cannot be knighted. A man submits to his king – maybe the wrong king – but a man chooses his king and bends the knee.
Notes
All children of the king are under the command to be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth and subdue it. But of the pagans it says, “Let the dead bury their own dead”.
All men by nature desire to know. No, “all that can be known about God as already been made manifest to them”. All men desire to deceive themselves and others. All men desire to be known (seen) and loved. Delusion that I could finally love myself if someone else would love the “real” me. Not me as I am called to be, but me as I tell myself I am. Except I don’t know who I am, and what little I know I don’t like. Trans Visibility Day – I’ll finally be happy if I’m seen and accepted. We desire community, acceptance; but not to be known. We need and desire to be in secret, to be covered.
From a lower school email: ‘We believe that the first and most important goal of education is to help children grow into adults free to choose virtue, to make informed choices, and to engage actively and civilly in society. Mr. Fred Rogers reminds us, “Mutually caring relationships require kindness and patience, tolerance, optimism, joy in the other’s achievements, confidence in oneself, and the ability to give without undue thought of gain.”’
Mad-libbing. I wish I had [name an activity you did with your kids] more, because it hurts me that [son/daughter] is [name a painful experience your kid is having] now, and if I had done that more, then they wouldn’t be going through that. Full stop. No. Your child is their own person. Their problems are their own. You cannot ground your regrets in hypotheticals where you have the power to heal everything broken or bent in their soul. Regret that you should have done X because you knew at the time that doing X was required of you and you chose to follow your own brokenness instead.
- A child is a person. A person younger than 18 years old is a
person.
- Ecc 11:9 – Enjoy the days of your youth, follow the desires of your eyes, yet know that God will bring you into judgement for all these things.
- Lk 18:21 – All these [commands] I have kept from my youth.
- Rev 2:23 – I will kill her children with the plague. Then all the churches will know that I am the One who examines minds and hearts, and I will give to each of you according to your works.
- Not clay to be shaped as I want. Not robots to be programmed.
Not empty vessels to be filled.
- Even if parents, or some other human being, had the power to shape the soul of a child, to program, to write upon the empty slate, it would be not just morally wrong but bound to explode in failure. Every human being fails spectacularly at managing their own lives, growing their own character, in what world should they expect to fail on themselves but succeed on their children. Rom 7 – what I want to do, I do not do; what I hate, I do; I am at war with myself. Rom 2 – you have no excuse, you foolish person, everyone of you who passes judgment; for in that matter in which you judge someone else, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
- Parents are an authority overseeing their children:
honor your father and mother.
- not the only or primary or highest authority. NOT HELPFUL:
“Parents are the primary disciplers of their kids”.
- Nothing in Text to suggest primary.
- God is always highest, and any other authority is derived from, given by, Him. Rom 13.
- God is the model of a disciplining (not discipling) authority. Heb 12.
- Jesus called disciples away from parents
- Behold I come to cast a fire on the earth, they will be divided father against son and son against father. Luke 12:49 and Matthew 10:37 (must hate father) – Did Jesus alter parent/child roles? Do not be called Father for one is your father. Matt 23:9.
- If “parents are primary disciplers”, then how can the church justify reaching out to kids of non-believing parents
- discipline, not discipler. No such thing as discipler. The Greek for discipline is paidea – as in the slave/tutor that followed little rich kids around with a stick. A “disciple” is a particular Jewish/Biblical relationship, not just any parent/child relationship. The primary method of discipleship is immitation – come follow me. Discipline, on the other hand, is a training imposed by an authority.
- not the only or primary or highest authority. NOT HELPFUL:
“Parents are the primary disciplers of their kids”.
Pay attention to the way people talk about kids. For example, “When students face challenges—and even failures— in a controlled setting and supported by caring and empathetic adults, it helps students learn how to bounce back from adversity and accomplish their objective. True achievement comes from encountering something difficult, persevering through it, and then finding success. As Dr. Charles Fay of the Love and Logic Institute explains, encountering real struggle is the only way children will develop the grit and determination to handle the much bigger challenges that life has in store for them when they’re older.” Hear the determinism. What choices is the student given. In what ways is the student treated like a person in himself. I, as the teacher, require that the student struggle to accomplish some feat I have chosen. If I require them to struggle until they achieve, then they will become adults who are able to handle bigger challenges. If I don’t, then they won’t become that. I control who the student becomes. I decide who they should be as adults, and my treatment of them makes them who they are as adults.
Your kids adopt their own lies and live their own faults. You see your faults in your kids because you see your own reflection in everyone. You can’t see past yourself. Whatever problems you find most glaring in others are in reality your own. If you don’t see youself clearly then you only see yourself when you look at others. If you saw yourself clearly, then you would see how little access you have to your own soul, and you would stop decieving yourself into thinking you have access to other people’s souls.
Treating people as people:
- Stand each before the throne
- Naked I came into the world and naked I shall return
- Cannot write deeds onto someone else’s page in the book of deeds.
- If you do the work another is called to do, you take from them the opportunity to grow in the work, to live a life worthy of their calling. You sin yourself and drive them to sin through passively allowing your usurping of their responsibilities.
- Fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over. – A person must both submit to authorities and serve as one “under authority”. – Adam and Eve were called to this before they knew Good or Evil.
- Tend the garden – personal assignments.
- Born a sinner – broken, lies
- Invited to follow Jesus – let the little children come unto me.
The right to take risks is a central part of human dignity and autonomy. Elder Law, Kohn.
Biblical:
- there are children and adults: when I was a child I thought like a child … But when I became a man I put aside childish things.
- children can come to Jesus: if they have the capacity to have saving faith, then what are they lacking for adulthood
- before the cold knows enough to choose the good and reject the evil
- good parents don’t necessarily make good kids - see the Kings.
- children have a duty to submit to parents - 4th command. This duty remains even if the parent is bad and into the child’s adulthood?
- don’t you know that I have to be about my father’s work - even as a child he had the capacity and duty to respond to the call of God.
- do not exacerbate your children
- don’t spare the rod - is this a command or just wisdom literature to be argued with.
- my son listen to my instruction
- the secret things belong to the Lord, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children
- the children are sanctified by the believing spouse
Before (at the time) the child knows to reject the evil and choose the good. – but see also Jonah 4:11 where adults cannot distinguish between their right and their left.
When I was a child, I thought like a child
Titus 1 - an elder must have believing children. So a parent can control / decide / shape even belief in their kids.
The Mosiac Law does not explicitly forbid pedophilia. So law is intentionally incomplete (a hierarchy of principles with a god at the top). Nowhere is it written “thou shalt not lie with a girl as one lies with a woman.” The prohibition has to be inferred from more general prohibitions against adultery – you aren’t married to the child therefore it’s adultery. Most states in the US permit a child to marry an adult if the child’s parents give consent. Set aside the law, as a moral question: can a parent give consent on behalf of a child for an activity to which the child themselves could not consent. A child is not legally empowered to consent to life-saving medical treatment. A child is not legally empowered to consent to have their teeth cleaned by a dental hygienist. What moral principle distinguishes between a parent giving consent for a doctor to amputate a child’s arm to save their life; and a parent giving consent for a child to marry. Parallels between consenting on behalf of children and consenting on behalf of the senile. An agent holding a durable power of attorney is expected to make the choice they think the principal would make is they were able. There’s a difference between an agent you chose consenting for you, and unchosen parents consenting for you. We allow adults to make choices that harm themselves – to choose not to receive treatment, to choose to engage in risky behavior, to choose to overindulge on food or drug.
Eph 4 – building up to mature manhood.
You are not a man because you pass a test or attained some age or acheived some feat. Manhood is not a line that is crossed. It is a path that is walked. You’re a man when you own responsibility for yourself, and choose daily to grow.
Don’t let them despise you because of your youth. Age that adulthood happens. Importance of community celebrating becoming adult, and then holding to be standard.
Self-evident Truths
We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all free, land-owning white men are created equally better than any other race, gender or economic stratus, and that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights.
We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal and that they are endowed with certain unalienable rights. This is not true for the materialist. Evolved by definition means unequal – each member of the species is somewhere different on the spectrum of more or less fit. There is no human dignity or human worth, only power, only competition, the endless struggle to hoard limited resources and reproduce. There is no soul, no I, only flesh – indistinguishable from the flesh of any other animal. There is no hope for tomorrow, only this life today. The materialist is scary because if they ever finally acknowledge their reality, then they can rationally only become either a nihilist or a hedonist. Humanism is inherently irrational for a materialist.
What is true of all persons? Accountable before God. Rights: Agency, Secrecy. Are they stewards before they confess Christ?
What is a man
- 1 Cor 13
- Put away childish things is a metaphor for partial -> perfect. (perfect = telios)
- Eph 4:13
- Attain to a perfect (telios) man, measured by the maturity of the fullness (like a ship’s hold) of Christ.
- Which is to say that manhood is a process, a growing, not a switch
- A man knows his king. (Hierarchy of authorities)
- A good man submits – I will serve, I will be of service.
- Implies that a man rules himself enough to submit.
- A boy is mastered by his desires
- A man knows his domain, the areas where he is king, and rules
it.
- A good man’s rule brings shalom and teeming life (which sometimes feels chaotic).
- Perhaps implies provision (1 Tim 5:8) and protection (Orphan, window, alien). A leader takes the hits. If we succeed, we’ll celebrate together; if we fail, it’s my fault.
- A man has chosen and serves his god, his highest value. (Owns
his faith – God is my God).
- A good man chooses a god worthy of his worship.
- A man, as priest to his god, knows difference between good and
evil as defined by his god. (Heb 5:14, Mal 2:7)
- A good man carries his cross
- bears up under the sins of the world, carries the judgement for, intercedes
- Is 59:16, Ez 22:30 – Standing in the gap between God and world
- A good man carries his cross
- A man makes plans and takes steps today
- A good man finds his assignments as he is led by the Spirit (Acts 16:7)
- A good man makes it his ambition to lead a quiet life, work with his hands, live at peace with all people (1 Thess 4:11, Heb 12:14)
- A man does the work
- A good man is detached from the results of his work because he knows that he is not God. (Give us this day our daily bread, and Mark 4:26ff) – I may work the soil, but God prospers the seed, or not).
Deut 21:20 – The rebellious son was a “drunkard and a glutton”, which doesn’t sound like a minor child. -> Honor thy father and mother not just a command to little children.